tim ([info]pyramid108) wrote,
@ 2003-08-18 15:11:00
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Idiotic assholes of the world, listen up:

If you are right now in the presence of an infant, and you feel somehow compelled to speak to it, fucking speak normally. Infants learn to speak a language by hearing it spoken normally. It takes them many months, maybe even years, to learn to shape their tongues correctly to speak normally. The sounds they make during these months or years are a result of linguistic adaptation.

Do not -- I repeat, do FUCKING not -- stand around imitating the damned baby's sounds. If it were old enough, it'd be insulted by your mockery. Since the babies of the world are not old enough to be so insulted, I stand insulted in their place.

I stand even more insulted by the people who tell me that "babies react to high-pitched sounds." Yes, doctors have proven that babies react to high-pitched sounds, however, it is only a reaction. What kind of reaction is it?

We can tell that animals react to being stroked. We can also tell that they react to BB-gun pellets.

I stand before you, idiotic assholes, as someone who is smarter than you. And I say: your baby is learning more English from the fucking television you never turn off than from your assholic babbling.

I now back this statement up:

As one who has studied linguistics and even taught conversational English to past-their-linguistic-prime salarymen in a country as lingually disabled as Japan, I have become enlightened. See, in Japan, the misinformed company I taught for -- managed by a whole load of baby-patronizers, I imagine -- had a rule whereby all students were supposed to learn English by speaking to one another, with only the barest hints from the teacher. This accounts for the close-to-zero level of progress of all students enlisted at that school. Through witnessing these people making fuzzier linguistic copies of fuzzy linguistic copies, I have come into the posession of a nice little bit of practical knowledge.

I know, if nothing else, this:

People learn to speak by imitating you, not by imitating you imitating them.

Save an establishing IQ: stop being an ignorant asshole.

Thank you in advance. With all hope, the generation after this one won't drop out of high school to sell narcotic cough medicine to kids in gas station parking lots.



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Yore Goddamn Right
[info]spikebenimble
2003-08-18 01:16 pm UTC (link)
And you mention this at a timely juncture. I had just decided that if I ever have children, I will refer to a wound as a wound; not a "booboo."

"Daddy daddy...wound!"

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Re: Yore Goddamn Right
[info]pyramid108
2003-08-18 01:38 pm UTC (link)
Your child, then, will most likely not end up selling narcotic cough medicine to kids in gas station parking lots.

However, because of the use of the word "Daddy," your child might (or might not!) end up cooking crystal meth in the back room during a break from his part time job at the fancy department store.

The only way to remedy this: you will be his "Father," not "Daddy."

Oh, and never -- ever -- say, for any reason, "BABY GO BOOM!!!"

Yes.

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Re: Yore Goddamn Right
[info]spikebenimble
2003-08-19 07:15 pm UTC (link)
You'll have to bear with me on this. My sperm doner, bastard that he is, didn't really instill any example as a father whatsoever. Unless you count drinking.

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[info]vincevalentine
2003-08-18 01:59 pm UTC (link)
People learn to speak by imitating you, not by imitating you imitating them.

Amen to that. It applies to almost everything, not just learning to speak and cruds..

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[info]primigenus
2003-08-18 02:03 pm UTC (link)
fucking thankyou for voicing my damn opinion

finally

in the right words

good call!

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[info]pyramid108
2003-08-19 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Is that a poem?

Ahem.

It's what I do, g.

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[info]deepblue1180
2003-08-18 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Ah, but I am CERTAIN that I have spent enough time at your house to know that you were talked to the EXACT same way...and you turned out alright!

...mostly, anyway! ha-HA!

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[info]pyramid108
2003-08-19 04:26 pm UTC (link)
Hey, now. You may or may not know more or less about how I was raised that you may or may not think you do.

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[info]deepblue1180
2003-08-20 09:10 am UTC (link)
You're right. That may have been a bit presumptious.

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[info]sulphuroxide
2003-08-18 03:16 pm UTC (link)

it doesnt matter if you baby talk to babies, they still pick up the right morphemes anyhow in much the same way that people from different langauges use the morphemes from a native languague to emulate a 2nd language. but then again, baby talk is annoying. any excuse would be good.

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[info]sulphuroxide
2003-08-18 03:20 pm UTC (link)

wow i suck. i mean phonemes not morphemes. =p

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[info]nobody_boy
2003-08-19 07:06 am UTC (link)
Could we change the subject to graphemes, I'm really not in the mood for phonemes or morphemes.

Thanks in advance!

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[info]pyramid108
2003-08-19 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh, there's no doubt that they're picking up these phonemes of which you speak. No doubt about it. However, which phonemes are more readily, quickly, and practically useful -- the phonemes of "BAAAAAAAAAABY GO BoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!" or the phonemes of "Be careful"?

I once saw a Japanese woman, in Japan, pushing a baby in a stroller in a department store. She stopped the stroller in front of a mirror. The kid reached out, like to touch the mirror. She said to him, in Japanese, "That's a mirror. You can see your reflection in a mirror."

"Kagami desu. Kagamide sugata miemasu."

The only thing baby-ish about her Japanese was that she used short sentences and polite forms of verbs. She didn't have to make an asshole voice to get her point across.

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[info]sulphuroxide
2003-08-19 05:01 pm UTC (link)

no no, i agree, people talk dumb to kids and that isnt good (for alot of reasons!). but the phonemes remain the same since they are of limited number.

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[info]gen_kun
2003-08-18 06:48 pm UTC (link)
BAM! In the numerous summers visiting my sister while she raised her kids, we didn't talk to any of them in baby talk.

And we made fun of the in-laws that did.

The same in-laws also didn't let their kids near dirt or pet animals.

But now that these kids have grown up, I have no fucking clue what to do with them.

Other than let them play Pokemon Ruby on my GBP with a Wavebird.

"Whatever you do... DON'T SAVE OVER MY GAME!!"

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[info]bigmog
2003-08-18 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Reminds me of an old Steve Martin bit on "Wild and Crazy Guy". Mayo mama dog face to the banana patch!

Seriously though are you really trying to blame the decline of today's youth on baby talk? Personally I think it's all the rap music and ebonics that drive kids into speaking tongues and dealing crack. Ya dig?

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[info]nobody_boy
2003-08-19 07:08 am UTC (link)
Perhaps the root is at the very top of the tree? Our president don't speak so good.

And I bet W would take a big helping of Raiden crotch if he ever had the chance...

motherfucker...

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